>The two that I'm showing love to play with each other and one in particular absolutely loves to run and dodge. I think the muscle tone they build up by doing this far outweighs the damage done to their coats. After all, it's supposed to be a DOG show, not a GROOMING show. I know that the grooming has an effect, just as with some judges, who is holding the lead has quite an effect. <
Hi Janet, I totally agree with you, that's why I don't like winter pups, they miss out on outside play! and now I am having to work hard with road work to build up muscle tone. I have a black pup hopefully to come out later this year when I feel he is ready, he is slow to develop but coming along beautifully, so found it interesting that Black are 'in vogue'. I thought that people didn't like solids are they are sometimes slower to develop? No fast track here, having to wait, unheard of!!
All it takes is one brave person to stand up and be counted! regardless as to how people will support you ringside, when it comes to actually saying something, all 'friends' dissappear! so it is a shame that there isn't one person who can say 'No' to hairspray regardless and riddiculous top knots!
As in all things, I know not all will crate their dogs 24/7 but equally there are those that will. I also feel like my attitude is somewhere betweeen a rock and a hard place, as I totally admire this level of preparation, it is to my mind, a work of art and has to be admired. But I think it can go to far, to the detriment of the dogs. I also loved the waggy tailed dog, so nice to see! Dx
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they are so very different to ours ...i prefer ours though i have problems going natural topknot let alone the bouffant style....they seem to mature so much faster than ours as well i have seen some 6 month olds whose coats and topknots are out of this world and a adult dog would be lucky to have...aaagh well mine are dogs first and show dogs second so i must say i prefer mine to enjoy being a dog rather than caged like a rabbit i am always getting told off at the ringside because of my grooming skills or lack of them but i do try i am very trying lol
[quote name='DebJon' post='28236' date='Feb 17 2006, 12:28 PM']>The two that I'm showing love to play with each other and one in particular absolutely loves to run and dodge. I think the muscle tone they build up by doing this far outweighs the damage done to their coats. After all, it's supposed to be a DOG show, not a GROOMING show. I know that the grooming has an effect, just as with some judges, who is holding the lead has quite an effect. <
Hi Janet, I totally agree with you, that's why I don't like winter pups, they miss out on outside play! and now I am having to work hard with road work to build up muscle tone. I have a black pup hopefully to come out later this year when I feel he is ready, he is slow to develop but coming along beautifully, so found it interesting that Black are 'in vogue'. I thought that people didn't like solids are they are sometimes slower to develop? No fast track here, having to wait, unheard of!!
All it takes is one brave person to stand up and be counted! regardless as to how people will support you ringside, when it comes to actually saying something, all 'friends' dissappear! so it is a shame that there isn't one person who can say 'No' to hairspray regardless and riddiculous top knots!
As in all things, I know not all will crate their dogs 24/7 but equally there are those that will. I also feel like my attitude is somewhere betweeen a rock and a hard place, as I totally admire this level of preparation, it is to my mind, a work of art and has to be admired. But I think it can go to far, to the detriment of the dogs. I also loved the waggy tailed dog, so nice to see! Dx[/quote]
I'd never heard that solids were slower to develop. From what I've heard, people like the blacks in particular because they don't have to worry about the face stains.
I agree about it taking just a few people to stand up and protest to put an end to this nonsense, but it's going to take someone with influence in the breed, I think. Already, some breeders are going for what they call the "split" topknot and a video I got from a well-known handler on show dog grooming talks about this type of topknot as well as the palm trees.
My biggest concern is always for my dogs' mental, emotional and physical well-being. Yes, the end product is beautiful, but at what price to the dog? A very famous dog here in the US was campaigned for several years after he got his championship. In his last shows, you could tell that he was so bored and unhappy in the showring. That's not the kind of life I would want for my guys. The dog that wagged her tail at the judge, by the way, was the one who won the breed. It was nice to see her so happy, wasn't it?
I think there are a number of reasons solids aren't so popular to show.
One is that they don't tend to stand out in the ring as much, especially indoors and even more especially when you have a tarmac type surface - blacks tend to get lost on a black surface. Another is that a solid can't get away with certain structural features that a parti colour can. The main example of this being length, if a parti colour is slightly too long in the back the break up of colour can help to mask it but in a solid the dog tends to look rangy because there is no break up of colour.
Obviously any judge worth their salt would pick up on these points when going over a dog but from a ringside perspective it perhaps isn't unreasonable to argue that a solid actually has to be better than an equivalent parti colour just to appear as good.
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he lives a nice doggy life with vodka and they have terrific wrestling matches and tug a war games with ears and moustaches together....as well as chase me charly round the flat!!!!
I already watched the video - I think it was quite interesting to see.
Tell me pls if I´m wrong, but it seems that the most of the dogs dont have to much color?! Of course except the black - white and red - white... But in general...
The Top Knots are awsome - they´re very different from ours here in GER or UK, thats for sure. But I think they did a great work with them. My wish is just to see "life" how they make them!
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[quote name='Kati' post='28299' date='Feb 17 2006, 09:01 PM']The Top Knots are awsome - they´re very different from ours here in GER or UK, thats for sure. But I think they did a great work with them. My wish is just to see "life" how they make them![/quote]
The ones I've seen being put up have lots and lots of bands, Kati. You do a topknot in the front, teasing it to make a pouf, put the bow on that one, make another topknot behind that, attach the two together, then start building up the palm tree, banding hair from the two topknots, or at least that's how it was explained to me. Even seeing it done live a few times, I'm not sure I could do it! Of course, when it's all up in the air, you take a curling iron to it and then a bit more teasing and then the hairspray. I did see one topknot on the video that I thought looked pretty nice. They had brought the hair down in the back so that if flowed into the hair at the back of the head. Far prettier than the ones that look good from the front, but are all flat and just "up there" from the side.
[quote name='Adam' post='28274' date='Feb 17 2006, 05:38 PM']I think there are a number of reasons solids aren't so popular to show.
One is that they don't tend to stand out in the ring as much, especially indoors and even more especially when you have a tarmac type surface - blacks tend to get lost on a black surface. Another is that a solid can't get away with certain structural features that a parti colour can. The main example of this being length, if a parti colour is slightly too long in the back the break up of colour can help to mask it but in a solid the dog tends to look rangy because there is no break up of colour.
Obviously any judge worth their salt would pick up on these points when going over a dog but from a ringside perspective it perhaps isn't unreasonable to argue that a solid actually has to be better than an equivalent parti colour just to appear as good.[/quote]
Good points, Adam. I know there was a nice solid black at a show I went to last fall that needed just two more points to finish. When the breeder saw the ring, she knew that wasn't the day her girl was going to get those points. The judging area was dark and the light that was to be had had a rather greenish tint to it. The little blackie just faded into the shadows, whereas the black and whites an the gold and whites stood out.
[quote name='janchan' post='28301' date='Feb 17 2006, 10:17 PM']The ones I've seen being put up have lots and lots of bands, Kati. You do a topknot in the front, teasing it to[/quote]
As I already said, its very different from ours.
But if I make my topknots, I normally do it also like they start "make another topknot behind that, attach the two together" - I dont know if you ever saw my Kiri, but he has so much hair that it actually need 2- and if I put them together, I sometimes diveded it once again, that he dont have the hair in his face...
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[quote name='Kati' post='28323' date='Feb 17 2006, 11:13 PM']As I already said, its very different from ours.
But if I make my topknots, I normally do it also like they start "make another topknot behind that, attach the two together" - I dont know if you ever saw my Kiri, but he has so much hair that it actually need 2- and if I put them together, I sometimes diveded it once again, that he dont have the hair in his face...
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