01-29-2007, 01:13 PM
[quote name='DebJon' post='71716' date='Jan 29 2007, 10:21 AM']<<
Sorry Kirsty, but this isn't the case, the Judge, Dr Vladimir Urazhevski (Russia) - is The President of the Russian Kennel Club, he has bred and exhibited many, many breeds and made up many world and Russian Champions. He has judged in more than 20 countries, he now owns the largest kennel in Russia. he is not inexperienced.
The point was, that he was sat down as the Breeds entered the ring for BIS, (he was tiered after Judging all day) then the exhibitors were stood infront of him, he couldn't physically see the dogs. He then stood in the middle of the ring and simply pointed at dogs that were to remain, which was totally unfair as I said, the Akita hadn't been seen to move (there wasn't space), Debby only moved 5 steps, how can you asess movement from that?
I agree Maggie that the rules are different abroad, but we are been judged under KC rules, he should have been advised how it is done in the UK, the exhibitors sign the forms to abide by KC rules why not the Judge? in my opinion as Maggie suggested, something should have been written down for them to follow, or if you Judge overseas, you ask them how it is done? Dx[/quote]
I agree Debbie if its judged on the KC rules in England then thats how the judging should take place, in Europe the dogs are collected in a collecting ring and before they go into the group or the BIS, then the judge decides which dogs he is going to pull out even though all the dogs go into the ring, the judge does not always go over the dogs and just picks what they like the look of nor do they get you to move.
It is unfair that they can say what is a good dog and what is not just by looking, but they rely on the judges judging the breeds to put the best forward, you cannot asses a dog by getting it to move only 5 steps, and thats if you can see it, nor can you asses a dogs true movement by looks alone.
When judging here its totally different and I think ( this is only my opinion) that the societies that are running the shows should have explained either verbally or in written form the judging system here and followed that up with the steward supporting the judge.
There is a decline in numbers at show,s and if the clubs who hold the open or championship shows want to keep the support of the exhibitor then they have to ensure accidents like this dont happen ,as people now watch where they spend their money, and who they go under.
Hopefully this wont happen again and the next time if a foreign judge is doing the BIS then the society gives a little more suppot to them. The society seems to have put alot of effort in trying to improve things for the exhibitor and just seem to have fallen short at the end.
Maggie
Sorry Kirsty, but this isn't the case, the Judge, Dr Vladimir Urazhevski (Russia) - is The President of the Russian Kennel Club, he has bred and exhibited many, many breeds and made up many world and Russian Champions. He has judged in more than 20 countries, he now owns the largest kennel in Russia. he is not inexperienced.
The point was, that he was sat down as the Breeds entered the ring for BIS, (he was tiered after Judging all day) then the exhibitors were stood infront of him, he couldn't physically see the dogs. He then stood in the middle of the ring and simply pointed at dogs that were to remain, which was totally unfair as I said, the Akita hadn't been seen to move (there wasn't space), Debby only moved 5 steps, how can you asess movement from that?
I agree Maggie that the rules are different abroad, but we are been judged under KC rules, he should have been advised how it is done in the UK, the exhibitors sign the forms to abide by KC rules why not the Judge? in my opinion as Maggie suggested, something should have been written down for them to follow, or if you Judge overseas, you ask them how it is done? Dx[/quote]
I agree Debbie if its judged on the KC rules in England then thats how the judging should take place, in Europe the dogs are collected in a collecting ring and before they go into the group or the BIS, then the judge decides which dogs he is going to pull out even though all the dogs go into the ring, the judge does not always go over the dogs and just picks what they like the look of nor do they get you to move.
It is unfair that they can say what is a good dog and what is not just by looking, but they rely on the judges judging the breeds to put the best forward, you cannot asses a dog by getting it to move only 5 steps, and thats if you can see it, nor can you asses a dogs true movement by looks alone.
When judging here its totally different and I think ( this is only my opinion) that the societies that are running the shows should have explained either verbally or in written form the judging system here and followed that up with the steward supporting the judge.
There is a decline in numbers at show,s and if the clubs who hold the open or championship shows want to keep the support of the exhibitor then they have to ensure accidents like this dont happen ,as people now watch where they spend their money, and who they go under.
Hopefully this wont happen again and the next time if a foreign judge is doing the BIS then the society gives a little more suppot to them. The society seems to have put alot of effort in trying to improve things for the exhibitor and just seem to have fallen short at the end.
Maggie
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